Chapter 3 Discussion Leader-Casey Mesner

1. On page 67 Vincent mentions that many relationships fall apart because they can't "solve the conflict between baseline male sexuality and the civilized role of a man." What is society's view of a civilized man and is it comparable to what men actually are like?
---Society's view of a civilized man is one that keeps his sex life as private as possible. We all think that men are typically like this with the exception of the few who Vincent met at the strip clubs. We felt that Vincent was trying to illustrate how men can be to a certain extreme, however she left us to believe that that is just a small minority of men so we are left to make our own assumptions about the rest.

2. While receiving a dance from one of the girls, Vincent notes that it lacked all emotion, seduction, imagination and mental connections, all the things that make up the female sexuality (77). Do men need to have these certain characteristics to complete there sexuality or was it the given nature of the environment which cuased the dance to lack these components?
---We beleive that it was just the environment that caused the dances to lack all emotion. Many times in this chapter Vincent mentions that all of the girls appear to be dead of all feeling and emotion, so this reflects intot he whole club environment. Men probably do need alot of these characteristics, however not as strongly as women do. Also, many men are not looking for any kind of connection when they enter one of these clubs.

3. On page 88 Vincent feels that all of the dancers appear to be dead inside. She says this is "because when pleasure is used up, pain is all that's left." Do you think this is why all the dancers are typically depressed? Do they realize this within themselves?
---Most of the dancers probably do not realize this, and probably do not listen when someone tries to bring it to their attention. Much of these dancers are in this situation because it was seen as a last resort and the only thing they can do to make money. Knowing this, they are probably unhappy with the type of job they have, but they are the ones that put themselves in that situation, so they might not notice how depressed it is actually making them.

4. Many times throughout this chapter Vincent bounces back and forth from feeling sympathy for the dancers, to feeling absolutly no remorse. Is she getting this feeling only because she is also a women, or is this a feeling that men typically get too?
---Vincent feels sorry for the girls because that is a situation that she would hate to be in and she sees how objectifying tghe men are to them. However, she then feels no remorse towards them because it was there fault they are where they are. As mentioned before, the men that go into these clubs are a minority and aren't thinking about the girls feelings, so they probably never think about this. However, the greater percentage of men might have some of the same feelings as women do towards this subject.